I know it has a lot to do with confort, but as I dig I find myself looking at using a 10T Dump Truck (Visual Studio .Net 2003 & ASP .Net) when all I need is a wheeled barrel (ASP 3.0 using vbScript).
If I can accomplish all I need to with the old tried and true, why should I cross over?
I'm serious, so I don't need any wise a$$ remarks.
Is it worth my time, effort and money?
Bill Rishsewi would certainly say so.. Technology moves on all the time.
building ASP was not the most exciting of things, difficult to debug, syntax not the same as VB, everything is a variant. and then you want to use com, but once built and deployed you have to IIS reset to get the lock of the component.
ASP.net is a pleasure, sure you can get away with asp, but asp.net makes building web sites a lot easier, ASP.net is quicker, more secur, easier to debug and deploy.
Microsoft learnt a lot from asp and corrected all the problems in asp.net
Asp.net 2.0 comes out this year and you can build complex sites with very few lines of code..
At the very least buy a book on asp.net, you will soon find youself saying 'this is cool' and 'that would make my life so much easier'.
go on try it...
I hear ya.
I have taken the time to look at the out of the box opportunities with .Net 1.1. All I can say is wow.
I've always been a hand coder. Never liked any of the GUIs. Made the FrontPage blunder in the way back whens and I now use Dreamweaver, 99.9% for its file management and syncing.
I just get into MS VS .Net 2003 and I feel like I'm in over my head. I see where I can still code by hand, but If I'm going to use this powerful t(oy)||(ool), why not make full advantage of it.
It's also been a long time since I used a full fledged language. Between JavaScript and VB Script I ... Wa Wa Wa.
I already have the ASP .Net Unleashed by Stephen Walther, Second Edition and also have Two Course Technology - Thomson, Web Warrior Series books - ASP .Net, Introduction to and Database-Driven Web Sites, Second Edition.
I'll give it a go.
Which forums are good for admitting to murder?
Thanks for your response.
Bill Rishsew
i used to do ASP and used to do it all in Notepad. You have the benefit of knowing the history of ASP so read through the books. enjoy.. i did..
I do understand where you are coming from. ASP / VBScript does have its advantages when you just want to get things done. .net often has a more complicated upfront comitment. However I would advise you to definatly begin the transition. .NET represents a huge change in the way software development works. This gap is going to increase with time. Core concepts are built upon and built upon.
It is often very hard in the beginning, and as a developer you find yourself screaming in frustration longing for the quick and easy way of doing it the way it has always been done. However as time passes and you really and truely begin to understand the real why behind it you begin to develop an appreciation. And as with all things it does get easier with time. It becomes old hat and routine. You will find yourself making the same argument some years down the road when you are considering changing from .net to the next big step.
I once worked at a company with two other developers. I overheard one developer quite fervantly state. "I have learned all I care to learn we are not changing to any other language period." I could not help but to feel a deep sorrow. This is not an industry that is stationary for any length of time. Changes are often monumental and frequent.
My two cents anyway...
When you hit that point where you no longer wish to know, and that insatiable curiosity no longer fuels your motivation it is perhaps time to re-evaluate what you wish out of your chosen path. In this I mean no disrespect.
I'm plugging through. I, like yourself, love to pull things apart. I hope heaven, where all good programmers go, allows a continuation in learning. I love to learn. Even at ~50 I still love it. I do not long for the 1110010100101 days, trust me.
I am reading a few chapters a day in the Unleashed book. Very well written. I think I'm gonna stick with the notepad approach for the most part. Use all my stored .txt template pages for copy/paste.
What are your feelings on MS VS .Net?
Which language is prefereable VB/C#, and why?
Thanks.
Bill R.
VS.NET is a good IDE, does a lot of 'behind the scenes' stuff notepad does not give you, although as part of the learning process notepad is the hard, yet thorough way.
There a huge debate over c# versus vb.net, at the end of the day its a lifestyle choice and down to your career history.
if you've done c or java in the past, take a look at c#, if you've done vb or vbscript, then aim for vb.net. both languages require an understaning of the framework and of OO principles. Microsoft have invested heavily in both languages and they are both seen as first class.
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